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Old 15-10-2004, 08:07   #1
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Kan det være håp allikevel for MOW?

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America West Airlines is in exploratory talks with ATA Airlines about purchasing the struggling Indianapolis-based carrier, according to the Wall Street Journal. ATA, formerly known as American Trans Air, enjoys among the lowest unit costs in the industry but is cash-poor and burdened with heavy aircraft payments, the result of aggressive expansion begun prior to 9/11. For the six months ended June 30, it posted a $90.8 million net loss compared to $29.5 million net income in the prior-year period. At the time it said that it expected to report a loss for the full year and warned that under current operating assumptions and absent any changes to existing aircraft lease obligations it does not expect to have sufficient cash to meet its obligations in the 2005 first quarter (ATWOnline, Aug. 18). Its fleet of 737NGs and 757s is not really compatible with AWA's fleet, which is built around a mix of Airbus narrowbodies and 737 Classics, but it enjoys a strong position at Chicago Midway. AWA has not had a midcontinent hub since it pulled the plug on its money-losing Columbus, Ohio, base last year. Neither airline would comment to the Journal, which cited "people familiar with the discussions."

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Old 15-10-2004, 10:38   #2
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SEnder lige en forspørgsel til en kilde i AWA

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Da jeg postet dette for noen uker siden lo MOW av mitt innlegg!!!
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Har netop snakket med min kilde hos AWA i Operations Phoenix...
Der er noget om snakken.
Om det så er hele ATA eller bare charter divisionen vidste han ikke

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Old 15-10-2004, 14:43   #5
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og Southwest er interessert i ATAs gates på Midway:

Southwest CEO admits interest in some of ATA's Midway gates
Mary Kirby, Washington DC (14Oct04, 18:20 GMT, 337 words)


Southwest Airlines would be interested in acquiring some of ATA Airlines’ gates at Chicago Midway should the troubled carrier put itself up for sale, Southwest CEO Gary Kelly said today.

During an analyst conference call this morning - during which Southwest announced a third quarter net profit of $119 million, up 12.3% over last year - Kelly said the carrier “would be interested in some but not all of” ATA’s Midway gates.

Quoting people familiar with the discussions, the Wall Street Journal today reported that Indianapolis, Indiana-based ATA, which hubs at Midway, may sell off part or all of its operation to fellow low-cost carrier America West Airlines. The report also says that other airlines, including AirTran Airways, have shown interest in ATA’s assets.

America West has declined to comment on the report.

Southwest currently holds 19 gates at Midway. The carrier has been putting pressure on ATA at the Chicago-area airport, and will add new frequencies to Los Angeles and Oakland, California on 31 October.

“At this point, if we needed to expand and expand quickly, we actually have capacity with the gates we now have,” says Kelly.

However, notes Kelly, should ATA exit Midway, it is “my interpretation that the City of Chicago would determine what will happen with those gates” because most or all of the gates have been allotted to ATA under “preferential use” terms.

Separately, Southwest says it is likely to add another new city to its route network next year, although the carrier has not indicated what region of the USA it will be. Kelly assures that Southwest is “not shying away from east coast expansion”.

In the near-term, he says, Southwest’s focus “is to maintain our low-cost advantage”. The carrier cites a strict control over costs for its strong third quarter performance.

“We don’t have any firm plans to change the product, add different aircraft types, fly internationally or anything along those lines,” says Kelly.

“We are very much interested in continuing to grow Southwest Airlines as you know it.”


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Old 15-10-2004, 15:35   #6
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Hvis Southwest overtar gatene - så blir det vel nesten 100% Southwest på Midway...
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Old 15-10-2004, 15:54   #7
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Da jeg postet dette for noen uker siden lo MOW av mitt innlegg!!!
Hmmm....det var dette med økonomer og å se inn i framtiden da

Ikke verst å se dette komme EB!
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Old 15-10-2004, 15:56   #8
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Jeg leser Se og Hør 2 x i uken...jeg fanger opp rykter her og der. Så det er vel bare til å innrømme at jeg ikke "så" dette i min egen glasskule....
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Old 15-10-2004, 17:01   #9
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LN-mOW oppdaget paa mandag foer han satte seg paa flyet til MCO at ATA parkerer 8 757-200, og samtidig er AWA paa jakt etter flere 757. AWA har i dag 13 757-200 med RR motorer, og forhandler med Iberia om kjoep av ukjent antall 757.

Selvom AWA har A319 og A320, er ikke A321 aktuell, dette pga rekkevidde og t/o performance i fra AWA's huber i LAS og PHX.

AWA er ogsaa i ferd med sertifisere seg og sine 757 for ETOP's
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Old 15-10-2004, 17:36   #10
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ETOPS? Hawaii eller andre destinasjoner?
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Old 15-10-2004, 17:49   #11
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Det er masse spekulasjoner om AWA og Hawaii....og ATA har jo en kjempkontrakt med Pleasant Hawaiian Holidays(Charter) som nok AWA er svaert interessert i. AWA har jo tidligere operert paa Hawaii, den gang med 747-200 eks KLM. En operasjon med 757 fra PHX og LAS kan bli svaert god butikk. Men paa en annen side spekuleres det ogsaa paa et samarbeide mellom Hawaiian og AWA, med HA 767 til PHX.
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Old 15-10-2004, 19:07   #12
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Hawaiian flyr alllerede til PHX, og samarbeider med America West.

LN-MOW var forøvrig veldig pessimistisk om sin situasjon i ATA da jeg møtte han på BFI i september. Håper virkelig han slipper å gå igjennom nok ett selskap som legger inn årene som han opplevde med Vanguard
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Old 16-10-2004, 01:22   #13
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En kjapp hei fra en internettautomat i Orlando ....
EB: Jeg lo av ryktet om at Southwest skulle kjoepe 737'ene .. AWA-ryktene har litt mer substans. Tror imidlertid at det kun dreier seg om oppkjoep av de 8 nevnte 757'er .. Pleasant Holidays-kontrakten kan saavidt jeg vet ikke selges .. den kan bare overdras saa den har ingen oekonomisk verdi som handlemiddel...
Hvordan en AWA deaal vil beroere meg? Neppe positivt, men ikke noedvendigvis i det hele tatt ...
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Old 16-10-2004, 07:32   #14
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Nei da... Du var negativ til mitt innlegg om ATA + AWA... Men det er helt greit. Uansett det blir spennende å se hva som skjer...at det skjer noe er vel hevet over enhver tvil.
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Old 17-10-2004, 05:35   #15
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Won't happen.

AWA er ute etter noen av vaare turoperatoerkontrakter og ruter. De er lystne paa aa starte opp med Hawaii-ruter igjen og overtagelse av disse kontraktene vil kunne gi dem en god start.

Haaper imidlertid ikke at vi selger en av de faa ting vi tjener penger paa. Men for mer kontanter i kassen, spoers det om ledelsen er enig med meg ...
Dette var det jeg skrev den gang, og det staar jeg fortsatt for. Det foregaar samtaler mellom bolagene, men en fusjon tror jeg er helt urealistisk. Tror nok det dreier seg om de aatte 757'ene. Pressen spekulerer selvfoelgelig fordi ingen vil snakke.

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Old 17-10-2004, 08:44   #16
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Er det helt utenkelig at eierne i ATA vil selge? Eller er det kun 757`ene og gatene (Southwest ønskerjo disse på Midway) som virkelig er verdt noe?
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Getene er ikke verdt noe for ATA. De eies av City of Chicago som eier Midway. Leieavtalene vil bare bli overdratt andre hvis ATA sier opp.

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For Southwest er vel gatene verdt ganske mye...får de tak i disse er jo en konkurrent feid av banen!
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