Ulovlig å tvinge folk til å skrive ut BP (i Spania)

[Discus]

Advokater og dommere på krigsstien mot FR, de liker ikke at Ryanair lager sine egne regler.. OLeary angrer kanskje på at han stenger hub i Frankrike og flytter ting til Spania nå?

Judge tells Ryanair that forcing passengers to print boarding passes is illegal
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A judge in Barcelona said that, under international air travel conventions, Ryanair can neither demand passengers turn up at the airport with their boarding pass, nor charge them €40 (£34) if they do not.
"I declare abusive and, therefore, null, the clause in the contract by which Ryanair obliges the passenger to take a boarding pass to the airport," Judge Barbara Cordoba said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...ass?CMP=twt_fd


Og svaret fra FR er selvfølgelig at "hvis vi ikke får betalt for å skrive ut BP så slutter vi å tilby servicen med å printe ut BP på flyplassen så får folk stå igjen".

[sk931]

Som der står i artiklen så har både Spanien, Irland og UK ratifiseret denne aftale. og der står ligeledes:
"I like Ryanair in some ways, but it seems to believe it can make up all the rules," said Miró. "It has to observe the law too. The conventions on air travel are ratified not just by Spain but by Ireland and the United Kingdom as well."

Og måske er det lige det der er pointen i FR`s måde at flyve på. "at der ser ud til at de tror de selv kan lave reglerne"
Måske sådanne ting som denne og skattesagen i Frankrig kan give andre lande blod på tanden og lige checke den måde FR opererer på.
Selvfølgelig skal FR have lov til at flyve alt det de vil. Brare de følger de regler som er sat op af EU, og som alle andre flyselskaber følger eller bør følge.
Hilsen
Ole

[Trety]

Synes det er like fantastisk hver gang FR får noe som går imot seg, de har reaksjonsmønsteret man kjenner igjen fra en trassen seksåring. Herlig. Men slik jeg leser dommen så kan de uansett ikke nekte å skrive ut boardingpass, noe som gjør at de kommer til å få nye runder i retten med praksisen sin.
Men det er klart, skal de legge ned og trekke seg ut av alle land der de ikke får viljen sin, så kan det jo fort bli litt få land igjen å ha base i...

[Stoarn]

The ruling has been challenged so far, yet if the second instance maintains the verdict in force it will simply mean the following:

1. The provision in question will be null and void not only in Spain, but also under whole EU regime ("abusive clauses" are registered by the Consumer Protection Authorities of Member States and if they are related to Montreal Convention or EU Regulations like (EC) 1008/2008, they are equally null and void in each Member State). Both the pertinent EU Regulations (as endorsed subsequently) and the Montral Convention are in force also in Norway, so such provision shall be deemed void in Norway too.

2. A clause null and void = payments on its basis are undue even if made in past. => pax may claim money back for boarding-pass-printed up within the limitation period (under Montreal Convention two years back).

[sk931]

Originally Posted by Stoarn

The ruling has been challenged so far, yet if the second instance maintains the verdict in force it will simply mean the following:

1. The provision in question will be null and void not only in Spain, but also under whole EU regime ("abusive clauses" are registered by the Consumer Protection Authorities of Member States and if they are related to Montreal Convention or EU Regulations like (EC) 1008/2008, they are equally null and void in each Member State). Both the pertinent EU Regulations (as endorsed subsequently) and the Montral Convention are in force also in Norway, so such provision shall be deemed void in Norway too.

2. A clause null and void = payments on its basis are undue even if made in past. => pax may claim money back for boarding-pass-printed up within the limitation period (under Montreal Convention two years back).

SKal denne forstås således at det FR har gjort indtil nu med BD passes ikke er lovligt i EU ???
Hilsen
Ole

[TOS]

Originally Posted by sk931

SKal denne forstås således at det FR har gjort indtil nu med BD passes ikke er lovligt i EU ???
Hilsen
Ole

Slik jeg forstår det betyr det at hvis dommen fra Spania oprettholdes i ankedomstolen så vil praksisen ikke lenger være tillatt, samt at man kan kreve tilbakebetaling for allerede betalte gebyrer til BP-printing.

[sk931]

Originally Posted by TOS

Slik jeg forstår det betyr det at hvis dommen fra Spania oprettholdes i ankedomstolen så vil praksisen ikke lenger være tillatt, samt at man kan kreve tilbakebetaling for allerede betalte gebyrer til BP-printing.

i så fald at det kommer til at gælde for hele EU, kommer det nok ikke til at
gå stille af sig. Jeg har da min BD passes og kvitteringer liggende,,så dem skal der nok lige passes på
Hilsen
Ole

[Stoarn]

Eh, for meg liten vanskelig a forklare pa norsk, men slik:

Om dommen oprettholdes, sa kommer "Boarding Pass"-krav at vaere ulovlig i Spanien, det for sikkert.

I Spanien. Annetsteds ikke automatiskt, men det kommer å vaere jaette enkelt å klage.

First I would have to check the justification of the verdict, if it is cleverly written and if it is really based on international and EU law only, then to win against FR in other countries will be very easy (just copy-paste of Court's arguments).

There are 3 ways to proceed further on: individual claim domestic (in Court), public proceedings domestic at Regulatory Authorities (e.g. Konsumentverket, Forbrukerradet) and EU proceedings by Commission/ECJ/Network of Regulatory Authorities in Member States.

To win in one of first two (=to get ruling that BoardingPass-clause is illegal) makes the clause null and void (null and void= not only illegal, but not binding, as if it was not written at all) in the Country where the case was tried. To win in the third makes the clause null and void everywhere in EU regime, including Norway.

Everything depends on the ruling and its justification, I hope it will serve as copy-paste for others

Another aspect is: if it is illegal/abusive to force pax to bring the boarding pass on their own, then any refusal of carriage by FR on that basis constitutes a "unjustified denied boarding" = compensation due in the same amount as in case of overbooking.